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Interview on the OC Talk Radio - The Coaching Perspective, “Creating A Community for Newly Single Wo

“Creating A Community for Newly Single Women” with Joy Casillas, Founder and CEO

Paul: It's time again for the one show that takes a look at a business from a different perspective, the coaching perspective with master certified business coach Doug Gfeller. Hey Doug!

Doug: Hey Paul! Glad to be with you here in the studio and with our wonderful guest. Well, look, I'm a master certified coach by the International Coach Federation, and I've been coaching leaders and their teams, for I think, it is 21 years, now, helping them to clarify their objectives and reach their goals. And if you would like to know more about my coaching services, just go to the website

Doug: Well, let's get right into it, our guest for today is Joy Casillas. Joy is a single, working mom, turned author, life coach, and entrepreneur. After living the single mom lifestyle for ten years, she's learned through the ups and downs what she wishes, she'd known earlier; we've all been through that. She's passionate about sharing this knowledge with other women who now find themselves in a drastically different world and with a dating scene, alien to what they remember from their past. Her mission is to empower newly single women by to live big, satisfying lives by providing the information they need to stay happy, healthy and safe as they emerge into this new single world. With this goal, she's also founded, and we'll give you that address again, a place for women to access the information, resources, and support they need anytime from anywhere. Welcome to the Coaching Perspective Radio Show, Joy.

Joy: Thank you so much, Doug. It's great to be here.

Doug: Well it's exciting to have you here. Joy and I met about six months ago at an International Coach Federation chapter meeting, and I said, hey you should be on the radio show, and of course she said no, no, I'm just getting started and I've been pushing her along the way and she's been running fast and here you are today.

Joy: Absolutely, thank you so much. It was very exciting to be invited to come on the show, and you're right, initially I was like, oh my gosh, I don't know how I would, how I would be on the show but I'm very excited and to your point it has pushed me to really speed up my process of getting the word out and building out websites, and creating this community for women and I'm so happy that you offered this up because it really did speed up the process and I'm excited to provide that to women,

Doug: Well, you know I share a trick with you, I was in the building business many years ago, and you know, if you've been out to look at new homes they always have a model complex and do you know why they have a model complex? The reason they have it is, if they didn't have a model complex in a grand opening, it would never get ready to open. You have to have a deadline, and I think I was fortunate to be able to provide somewhat of a deadline for you. Well, look, tell us a little bit about yourself, what did you do before what you're doing now.

Joy: Right, so as you mentioned, I mean, I've been a single mom for over 10 years, I am a marketing services sales rep in a full-time capacity, so that has been the job that I've had and I've worked from home with kids and traveled for client meetings and things like that. It's been a really great job, and I'm happy to have been able to have some flexibility while my kids grew up. When I first got divorced, they were both five and six, and now they're 17, and in two weeks my youngest will be 16, so they're 15 months apart, but they're getting older, and it's afforded me a little bit of time to take back to myself and really start to focus on what's important to me and this all happened, as it does in life, right, everything happens for a reason and it came together very quickly and I'm just really thrilled to be able to have the Newly Single Woman Community website up as you mentioned, the whole mission is to really share with women what that experience of being single is when you'e been in a relationship for years, I had been with my ex-husband for 20 years. Came out of that marriage and really was overwhelmed with everything that I really didn't know or I was very, I felt I was very naive and there were things that I had to learn and society was different, dating was different, you know, the whole invention of cell phones and social media had become very, very big, online dating was very big, so the whole social scene was different and coming out of a long-term relationship like that, you also have breakdown of relationships outside of that, so friendships and couples that you've hung out with for years, you know a lot of that changes and so you're left with this place, that you're trying to build out a new community, a new life, learn everything, still have your job and support your children, if you have them, so there's a lot to cover, and this, my mission really is to help those women, to supply resources, information, support and build a community for women to go to, to really make that a smoother process than it was for me. I don't want them to be in situations where they're in any capacity not protecting themselves. Whether that be their own self and their own body or their home, their children, their finances. There's so much to really think about, and I just want to make sure that that's out there for them,

Doug: Okay, well you know and we were talking before the show started, him and we had a title for today's show and we got through it out and we're still searching for a title because you are so multi-dimensional, I don't know what tagline to put on you, I do, okay and I say that as a compliment. You have this book that you're working on that will be out in January, that you're going to tell us about you, you do speaking engagements, you've got your website up to create an online community for resources and that for women, you still have your sales job that brings it in the food on a daily basis, so it's like you're everywhere across the board here.

Joy: Well, thank you, I appreciate that. It's been a long time coming, but you know, the book will be out in January, the website's there so that people can pre-order and subscribe to the website and pre-order the book and it is really exciting for me because I have always wanted to help this group of women, this sort of niche of women that are really my age and out there and I just feel so empowered, and that's what I want to pass on to them, and so I'm really excited about being everywhere, and I hope that I'm more and more everywhere because I really want this to reach many, many women. And that was what you and I talked about a few minutes ago, is that although I love life coaching and I love the help that we do to ours, for our clients to really grow and live big and that's why that's in my mission statement is to, I want women to live big lives, it's just that I want to reach more women than I can in a one-to-one coaching situation. So, to your point speaking engagements and I plan, I'm planning on putting together some workshops, and groups that we can develop stronger community bonds that we help each other, and we empower each other.

Doug: And we're gonna come back and talk more about that, but you know one of the things that kind of fascinated me, well, a couple of things fascinating. One, when I first met you, your passion for this new venture. You know some people start a business because it's a way to make money, of course, everybody has a business and hopes it makes money, but many people don't have the passion for what they're doing, and you're, you're really driven by the passion first. Aren't you?

Joy: I really am. That's where this came from.

Doug: And, and this passion to serve this as you put it, this niche of women.

Joy: Yeah, it's, it's more than to serve, it's really to empower them, yeah, I think that as life coaching, we learned that our clients know inside them what they need, they know solutions, if they're exposed to the right information, they can come up with what's going to be best for them and that's what I feel is empowerment, right? We provide the resources and the support for them to be empowered, to do what's right for them and that's really where my passion is.

Doug: You know, there's a say, right I don't remember where I heard it, it was if oh, if the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail and, and I'm that way about coaching, okay, I'm so involved in coaching that, every situation, I look at, oh, that's a great opportunity for coaching but I was really intrigued that even though, you're an accredited coach and even though, you're committed and love what coaching has taught you and the skills it offers you, it isn't just coaching that you want to do, that did I get that right?

Joy: I think that's true.

Doug: It's sort of a, it's a language to use, but it isn't the end being by itself.

Joy: Absolutely, I think that coaching you know, is a one-on-one, we're working with our clients, and I definitely want that connection with people, but I think of it as almost serving a group or creating a movement. I'm still, as I told you, this is a new venture for me and the mission and the vision is all coming together. I think I shared with you a few moments ago an analogy, that I really like, and if you don't mind, yeah, but I had heard back and, and I guess I do want to credit this too, I heard it on the secret which is, you know, a book initially that came out a few years ago, and one of the speakers use this analogy, and said that life is like driving a car at dawn, in the dark and you have your headlights on and your headlights will only show you about a hundred feet in front of you and so you can see that a hundred feet and you can know that that's clear but you don't see a hundred feet after that or the hundred feet after that, so life is like, and this vision in this creation that I'm in right now is I'm in this first hundred feet, and I have to trust that as I get though that hundred feet, the next hundred feet will show up and be okay and that this vision will keep building and women will keep getting what they need and be more and more empowered and by doing that I really feel that this can be such a positive influence on the world in general because women have so much to give and there's so much more power that we have now. If we are empowered to use it correctly and if women are happy we can just do so much for the world, to bring positivity and I think, it's just; there's a huge place for this.

Doug: You know, one of the things that I wanted to ask you, here is that you obviously went through some challenging times as you went through this transition yourself which is why you want to help other people. What was it, what was your guiding principle that really you held on to that sort of kept your head screwed on straight and kept your going?

Joy: That's a great question, and actually, I have a few. I actually have guiding principles that I wrote for our family that are on the refrigerator today, I even have guiding principles, and I believe that they help you make decisions like you mentioned, as you go through life. I have a few, and one of them that my daughter's now repeats to me which I'm very proud about that is you do what's right now what's necessarily easy. And so there's a lot of things in life where you have to make a choice and is that, to tell the truth versus lying, is that to you know, help someone in need to stop and do something that's right when you're in a rush, there are things that we need as a guiding principle, and you do what's right, not what's easy. There's also, you know, I'm a big believer in honesty and just helping others so there are guiding principles for me I'd like to be able to look in the mirror at the end of the day and know that even if I made mistakes that I did the things for the right reasons and that I sleep very well at night. Which I know a lot of people nowadays have issues sleeping, but if you can tell the truth and have your integrity around you then you're going to help others more, and I think that's important.

Doug: Well, and you know, you touched on another thing that's really been fascinated me recently, I've been doing some reading about mind-fullness and fixed mindsets and it talks about the fact that, that we are our culture, sort of forces us into situations to avoid making mistakes and yet the people who are able to make mistakes and learn from them are really almost always the happiest because they don't carry it as a burden, they look at it as oh, I made a mistake, look what I learned here, so to go forward.

Joy: Yeah, I read a lot of books and all two on that you know, and, and I mean, you look at Elon Musk and all these Bill Gates, and everyone and they took risks, they weren't afraid to fail, and you know, I had a life coach that once told me, you know, go for imperfect action, give yourself the ability to fail.

Doug: I love it, so okay, so if we fast-forward what's your life going to look like a few years down the road, what is it you're going to build, what's, what's the idea? Because you shared with me and I'll tell you, I've heard, you've heard the term of BHAG, you know, Big Hairy Audacious Goal, I think, it's yeah, but anyhow. Your goal is big.

Joy: It is, you know, I do have this vision, and I think, it's the passion behind it that's really driving it, and the vision is getting broader and broader as I complete things. You know, I wanted to life coach and to help clients, and then it was well, I need to write this book because I need to help more women and then I need to buy, I need to build the website so that I can bring all these resources together to give them a simple place to go to. So then that website reached out to more women and really overall I mean as I mentioned to you, I mean I would love to bring together resources for women and do workshops around the world, I would love to create a community for women online, and offline that allows women to feel more empowered and I don't know exactly what that will look like in the next few years but that's where I'm headed, and my headlights will keep moving and keep clearing that space for me, so...

Doug: You know, one thing Joy shared with me before we went on air and, she said it was okay for me to mention it is her website just went live yesterday. She sent me an e-mail "I got my website up now!". You know, yeah because I kept saying "how are people going to find you? I'll get the website up!" and, but what I wanted to share was you said, you already had, how many subscribers in one day?

Joy: I have forty.

Doug: Forty is a great start in one day. To already have forty subscribers on your website. To your, to your site, to your blog.

Joy: Thank you, thank you very much. Yeah and considering that I didn't have any blog posts until yesterday, either, right? I mean I really didn't start out as a writer, and it's really like I said, it's just that I want to get this message out and I want to help as many people and in the way that we do that nowadays is to write and communicate and to be online and provide those resources so that is a part of it, and I will do what it takes to get the word out and to help.

Doug: See, and besides, the mission, besides the purpose, that you have in your business, one of the things that fascinate me as a business person is the entrepreneurial skills that you put to use. I mean there's people listening out there that have been working on their websites for years and years, and they're not up yet, you know, and you've created yours in a matter of weeks. There are people that have been talking, I'm guilty for years about doing a book, and you started a couple of months ago, it's gonna be done in a couple of months, you know. I mean and we could go on and on with the issues that you have tackled that many of us look at and go oh this is going to be so hard, it's going to take so long, and you set these ridiculous deadlines and got them done.

Joy: Thank you, yeah. You know I'm very proud of that because it's every single day that I wake up, and I tell my kids, you know I feel like I don't really know what I'm doing but I'm doing it and I do too imperfect action and making a difference because it's the action that's so important, right and I've also been very blessed and very, very fortunate that when I wanted to find someone to help me with my website, I did, and her name is Ann Neen, and she's actually in Hungary, and I found her and she's multi-talented and really was able to spend time with me and my direction and her advice to build this website very quickly was a complete blessing. I'm very happy to have found a partner in her.

Doug: And I could share stories with you. I won't name names of business, sophisticated well, financed businesses that have talked about going offshore for help and are still talking about it many, many months later so... Well, look, I want to get into your book and some of this, the details there let's take a commercial break first and then we'll be right back.

Doug: And we're back with Joy Casillas, and she's telling us about her new venture that she's starting and it is so exciting. But let's focus a little bit. Tell us about your book that, thank you very much, you sent me a table of contents and a sort of sample and thank you, so let's share that with our audience.

Joy: Sure, so as you and I have talked about, it really stemmed from as I started to do my life coaching and focusing on working with women clients I started realizing that there was a lot of information that I really wanted to provide to women, so I started to write the book, and the book then became the website. But the book has a lot of information on bringing resources and content to women that are some of it is really, information only women in that space would understand coming out of a relationship for many years and talking about, like how things have changed in the dating scene and how grooming has changed and what we need to know about finances and as I mentioned to you, one of my biggest struggles was how do I buy a car by myself. It was such a stressful time for me because I really didn't know how to know if the car was in good shape or if they were, you know, giving me a good deal or what the situation was and so there's a lot of information out there. The book talks about, you know, how to help make yourself happy, how to, you know, bring that happiness though mindset change, through exercises, through activities, it talks about, you know, ways to find things that are going to be making you passionate. How to go out and meet new people. How to engage in new activities, how do you even think about what it is now, that you want your life to look like right, and what do you want to engage in. What did you enjoy 20 years ago that you haven't done in a long time and do you want to try that again, do you want to get back to it? It brings that all to the front of the mind to allow that woman to explore. What does she want her life to look like and then it also takes it through things like with finances and legal trust, like living trust. Because if you've, if you've gone through a divorce, typically have worked hard to come to an agreement with whoever you're splitting from and you want to make sure that all that is now protected so and if you have children, you need to take that into consideration. So, there are things around changing your beneficiaries, there's just guidance there on things that women need to understand and think about that they may not know until they get into that situation and I'd rather have them be empowered to know going into the situation. So, things like that in a lot of online dating and what society is like now and just fitness and health and diet.

Doug: So, if I've arrived from Mars this is my how to live in this century kind of manual.

Joy: It's, it's a guidebook, that's exactly what it's called. The Newly Single Woman guidebook, and it's really to stay happy, healthy and safe, and what they need to know to do to do that. And just to re-engage in a smart way.

Doug: And you know, I want to make a point here with your permission because we talked about it ahead of time. When we talk about marketing, we always pick a niche, we pick a prototype what's the ideal family, the ideal person that we're gonna sell our service to but then we realize that our business is going to be appealing to people, to the right and the left of that center line that we've defined and you've been talking about the newly divorce but at the same time you shared with me the young people, the twenties that haven't been married that are coming to you, you know.

Joy: So, it is. You know, I initially had thought that my life coaching community, that my clients would be newly divorced women and actually not really newly divorced. That's why the book is called Newly Single, it's there's a phase when you go through a break up whether after divorce or just any kind of long term relationship and for women we tend to pull back into ourselves after a breakup we have to regroup, and then we come out of that and that's when we start to really want to re-engage and live life big and we want to explore and we want excitement and we want to go out there and that's really the phase that you know I'm speaking to. And you're right, that happens for women at all ages, any time, they're coming out of a relationship, and I've talked to many, many girls I would say, you know, that are outside of my demographic, that are in their 20s and 30s that have experienced, you know, some heartbreak and they have taken time to regroup and now they're saying well, you know how do I handle this and even you know how they want to understand, you know, what happens and what to be safe when they go out to a bar or when they're going to a party I mean I always tell my daughter who's getting ready to go to collage next year, when you go to a party, you take your own water bottle and you keep the top on it and you fill it up from the bathroom because there's so much out there with drugs and things like that and rape and I just, you know, you've got to think about it. And it's not that you don't want to go out there and live life, it's that you want to know the information to be empowered and be happy, healthy and safe.

Doug: And you know, and one of the things that fascinated me about what you're doing is that my focus recently has been on senior executives that are facing retirement or the sale of their business and going through a loss of identity that thing, that they devoted their whole life to, right, is now gone and it's like "Who am I?". When you and I were talking, the similarities between what you're talking about with women who are as you put it Newly Single and having to redefine who I am and how do I fit in and where, is the same challenge, in many ways that senior executives go through when they find themselves now, what am I gonna do, I'm healthy, I'm bright, I still can think. I can find my way to the corner and back, you know and what am I gonna do, and am I gonna do it with? It's a challenge; it's a real challenge.

Joy: There's a lot of similarities there, right, it's just a chance for transformation, and it's this opportunity that we can either sit and dwell in this place where we don't do anything and where we don't make change, or we can embrace it and say this is an opportunity for me to change my life and to live big and to do things I want to do and change my community. But how do I do that... and that's where people struggle. It's how do I do that? And so I have this quote up at my house that says, "The first step in getting what you want is deciding what you want." So, so many of us go through right, and we don't even decide what it is that we really want or who we want in our lives or how we want that to look. And so I think there's a number of steps but you're right, it's absolutely for anyone going through a major transformation in their life, there are similarities.

Doug: It's absolutely the same and the issue for me in looking at this and in working with executives with it, the issue that I think is the biggest and the most challenging is the acknowledgment that you can't do it by yourself, you can't read a self-help book. As good as your book may be, you can't do it all alone. That's why I love your website and your goal to build a community, because of it, that is really what you need in these kinds of transitions, is you need other people. So I love your goal to build a community of people. Sure, there's going to be resources and help, but I think a lot of the benefit is going to be just being a part of a community.

Joy: Well, thank you for that. I think so too. I mean, I find that for myself, for my clients, for my friends, we've even talked about. When people get out and engage with other people, it naturally lifts your spirits. I mean, it is, and it's energizing to be with other people to be talking to, hearing other perspectives to seeing things and if you can find a group that you're aligned with that makes that energy even higher, right, but definitely I think that we are meant to engage with others and to your point community is way to do that.

Doug: Well, and I don't know, my own experience, I mean, now, today is a typical day I spent all morning on the phone, with one meeting after another, some coaching, some not coaching meetings. So I wasn't sitting there alone, I mean, I was engaged, but I was really looking forward to leaving the house and coming and being at the radio station, talking to real life people and talking to a person across the way that you know, I could see whether they were smiling or not, thank you for smiling. So I mean, I think that's very important, that getting out there and becoming part of a community.

Joy: Yes, thank you, I found that too because I've been a single mom and I do work from home a lot of the time, I'm in the same boat as you, so I really have to find ways to go out and connect with people and when I got divorced, and I took the job to work from home, that isolated me even a little bit more, right? So, I lost friends because there were couples, and things like that you know really aligned more with him or weren't comfortable having a single woman around their family and their husband now because I was single, so there was a lot of change so that you're right, I had to find ways then to go out and build my community outside of working from home with my kids, so... That's covered in the book too, how do you go out and find people and identify those people that you want to be with so...

Doug: Alright. Let me shift gears on you a little bit. Let's talk about your new role as an author. Not about what you're writing but how you write. I mean you set this quick deadline, you've never written a book before, okay, you don't consider yourself a writer. What are you doing, what's your routine, how are you generating print on the page?

Joy: That's a great question, too, and it's fascinating to me that it's actually happening, because to your point I really had not thought of myself as a writer of course, I do now, but the book really started like I mentioned, when I was thinking about what is it that I want to share and so... I just started writing. It was one of those things that you hear people talk about all the time. I sat down, and I just started writing what is all the things that I would love to tell people that are in that position, and I started writing it and, I started organizing it, and then I started struggling with how am I going to organize it. And once I hit on how I wanted to organize it everything started coming together, and I started researching it, and I started, you know, adding resources and I realized I didn't have to be an expert on every topic that I wanted to include because I could research it and put resources in there and that would give them more information. So the book came together as a guidebook, so it's not a self-help book, it's not a novel, it's really a guidebook, there are specific topics with information on these topics and where to go to for more information. I cover most of it, so they have the ability to move forward with the information on those topics, but if they want more, I give them more resources and so, by allowing myself to say okay, it's really a guidebook. Because that's what I want to do is help, guide people for me it took a little pressure off, and I was able to go in and tackle the topics and do the research and write the book.

Doug: So, give me some of the nitty-gritty, I mean, you're working for a living, you've got teenage kids at home you have to get dinner, take care of the house. Where do you find the time to write, do you set up a regular time, do you not tell anybody about it, if you've got a secret muse, whispering in your ear?

Joy: No, so I have my children most of the week, and then they will be with their dad, every other weekend and sometimes during the week. I find that I've tried to write a lot during the week, but it hasn't worked that well for me because I have my full-time job and then I have the kids, sports, and I have dinner, and we have homework and things like that. And so there are things that get in the way and during the week. What I've really been doing is I devote my entire time when I'm not with my kids to doing the writing in the business, so I've stepped back a little bit from being with my friends and socially while I'm trying to get these big pieces done. I've been focusing where I sit down to write at 7 am on a Saturday and don't go to bed until midnight and focus on writing big chunks of time works better time, have been working. I took some time off over Thanksgiving to try and move things forward quickly, I need to be able to focus, and when I can focus it tends to flow much better. And if my kids are there and I'm focusing on jumping back and forth between their homework and dinner and the dog and things like that, it's very hard for me to write.

Doug: Writing doesn't lend itself okay so here's another question. Are you showing this to anybody? Are you letting anybody look at it and give you any input? Because I started to write a book and I've shared it with Paul, and he gave me his honest critique, and I stopped writing.

Joy: No, actually, I haven't let anyone really see it yet. I've talked about the different topics to women and gotten feedback from them on, oh my god, yeah I wish, I'd know that or, oh you know what I've done, some focus groups, work with some women that are in that situation and what they want to know or what they wish they had known and putting those things in. But as far as the writing itself, I would say the closest thing to letting anyone see part of the book is some of the blog posts that I've been writing. They're on topics and things that I had started to research and put into the book and took in some, taken. Some experts out and deposited those into the blog posts. So, reworked them a little bit but that's really the first foray into letting people see my writing is on the website.

Doug: Well, I think there's something to sort of protecting your creativity, till you're ready to expose it to the world.

Joy: Well, thank you, yeah.

Doug: Look, I've been asking you a lot of the questions. So let me just take a break here. What is it that you want to share with the audience that we haven't gotten to yet?

Joy: Oh, thank you. I guess, we've really covered a lot of topics, I know that we've talked about the mission of empowering women and we've talked about my book. I would like to say that, you know, as you talked about where do I see this going. I definitely am open to speaking engagements. I do want to get the word out, and I'd like to do that in a very powerful, positive environments for women. I'm thinking about putting workshops together, and I'm thinking about putting, bringing resources together as I mentioned to earlier... There is a large flow of energy for women, right, now, so there are other resources that are already out there for women with finances and things like that and part of the power of what I'm trying to do is bring it all together in the guidebook and in the website so that it's really easy for them. So, I'm looking forward to engaging with some of those other experts and bringing things together for women and creating different seminars and workshops and really building this out, and I don't think it's limited to the United states, I think you know, even in working with Ann in Hungary and friends that I have in Europe, it's something that women need everywhere, and so it's exciting and what I'd love to say to anyone that hears this or visits on my website, I am also asking for feedback and asking for comments, and I'm very open to getting messages from people so if they do go to the website, I would love for them to send me any information on topics that they want to hear about or feedback on you know, what they find valuable because that's really, what's important is that there's value in what we're doing.

Doug: Okay, so give them the website address again


Doug: That's a long one. But it's easy words.

Joy: And you know what it became about, because my book is titled Newly Single Woman but when I went on the web to look that up there what it really was geared more towards search engines around dating, and this is so much more about the community so by adding community to it, it really was more of a full statement of what I was trying to create and I think I was able to be it'll be searched it'll be more unique, even though we are thinking about also using the acronym so NSWC (NSWCommunity) and so that's out there too.

Doug: Okay, wonderful. So people can go to your website, and they have a way to contact you, there's your email address or and they can sign up for your newsletter. Already signed up. Don't fit your profile I think.

Joy: I think, it'll be very interesting for you. I mean It think there are tips that women and men can share, right. I've even talked to some life coaches that are working with men about how we could support them with building out a community. I mean men over forty is one of the biggest groups of suicide, and I think a lot of that is because men don't create community. So, I'm not sure what we're gonna do there but...

Doug: Let's see. So we've told people how they could contact your website- newly single women

Joy: Yes, Or is my e-mail as well.

Doug: Wonderful. Well, look, Joy, I really appreciate you being on the show, your energy is I'm exhausted now, but your energy is really there. I think the community or your building is something that is needed. I hadn't given it a lot of thought before you, and I talked about it. Frankly, but it ties in so close to what I see other segments of the population going through. I mean we are a society that is changing the way we hold on to relationships, that creates problems. You know, whether it's work, relationships or personal relationships and, because the world is changing so quickly, all of a sudden when you haven't been out in it individually, and you then are out in it about yourself, it's like how do I deal with this where do I go?

Joy: And just what do I need to know to stay happy, healthy and safe. Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for having me on. It was a really great surprise and very exciting when you asked and certainly appreciate the fact that it allowed me to speed up my process to bring all this to fruition and really appreciate the coaching and the opportunity to be on the radio.

Doug: You know, I don't know if I should tell you now, but you make it sound as if we're done, and you're gonna have to come back later next year to let us know how this has been going.

Joy: Oh, I absolutely plan to, yes I would love to do that.

Doug: So, when you can come back and share with us the second publishing of your book, or your third or your fourth, and the website, well, thank you very much for joining us tonight and welcome to the coaching perspective radio show community.

Joy: Thank you so much.

Doug: Well look, if you're listening to our podcast then thank you for visiting our website, be sure to check out our archives for other shows with other very great guests and topics. And speaking of guests, we're scheduling guests now so if you'd like to be on the show in January, just drop me an e-mail. or you can go to the website, and there's a place to sign up for the newsletter or say you'd like to talk about being on the radio show. Well, look I hope you've enjoyed the show today as much as I have. Our goal is always is to have discussions that provide you with new ideas information that you can put to use immediately to identify and achieve your goals I'll be back with you again next week at our new time of 3 pm to wrap up 2017.

Thank you very much.

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